Copyright @ 2000 by Tatyana Elmanovich
Elvis Presley, Vladimir Vissotski, Marlene Dietrich, Myrna Loy

Myrna Loy

Introduction

Dec 19, 2000
There were many reasons why two of my guides preferred to stay anonymous. During their stay on the earth, they had created distinguished names in their fields. And now, on the other side, they tried to avoid attention to their names than had already caused them problems in the next world. Still tied to the earth plane by their fame and wealth (heirs' quarrels and trials, other unexpected consequences of wealth on earth), they agreed to help people like myself under the Wagnerian Lohengrin* condition -- not to mention their names. Lets call them J.C. and Archie, and we meet them in "The Book of Aces."

One day J.C. brought a guest to our communication session. He related, "Myrna Loy is here. She wants to say that your writing about spirit communicators is important and she is ready to give you her name, if you are interested in her stories." Immediately, I found in a movie encyclopedia an article on Myrna Loy, a Hollywood movie star. She belonged to time when stars disarmed viewers with their beauty, sensuality, and stunning images. And everything that was happening to them on the screen, never happened to a real person in real life. Probably it was time for Hollywood to narrow the gap between the screen dream and real life and sacrifice some of its idols for changes (as it was done once before -- when talkies replaced silent movies). To my surprise, Myrna Loy related to these upcoming changes saying how they touched her destiny and what choices she had to face.

I am Myrna Loy

ML: I don't see a ball in the thing. But okay. I am Myrna Loy, the movie star who is saying hello to a stranger, and I try to figure out what you can do for me. As you can read in books about me, I had four husbands, all of Hollywood's fame, old-fashioned fame, and I worked for Red Cross during the war, but I wasted my time on politics that I regret now. It was a stupid thing to do. But we all are human, and humans tend to do stupid things. I can see that you yourself have done many smart things in your life, more than me. Profession is everything. You do whatever you can for your profession and let everything else go. Yesterday (at my book signing in Arizona-- T.E.) I was there with you and helped you get rid of some people who you met after the signing. You have to get rid of the tendency to allow others to put you down. You have to learn to handle this. I learned it early when I was left alone after my fathers untimely death. I had to fight my way through with all those people who wanted a piece of my father's fortune and saw me as an obstacle on their way. I learned to defend myself.

M.L: My films? The Best Years of Our Lives by Billy Wilder was a nice, charming piece. The scenario wasn't that great after all, -- or maybe it was. Our opinion isn't so important, because we know the truth. Sometimes, the Oscar game is an unholy game of the taste of the moment, and that film suited the taste. Wilder is a master of lightness and elegance. But by nature he avoided going deeper; he also avoided dealing with the dark side of the human soul. My Best Years' husband Al, a war veteran, was not supposed to get away with his bank deal that favored other war veterans, who were abandoned by the government and needed help desperately. But in the scenario, they allowed this to happen, and it reconciled everybody with everyone. In our film we found a way for war veterans. But we know that in real life, banks have no sentiments toward anyone, war veterans included. It is lovely to chat with an earthling for a change. My other films -- caboose -- they were quite garbage…

Dec 20, 1999

M.L: Hello, I am Myrna Loy, and I died in poverty. Check it out, if you like. You will get plenty information on it. I would like to let people know how we died, and what happened to us here, if you have the guts to go ahead and try to work with me in full honesty. You are chosen for the simplest reason there is, you are not star stricken…

Tanika: You are losing patience with me. I am not star-stricken, it's true, but I have problems with English and therefore I am slow, and this is not good for our business
M.L: Go ahead -- again excuses! I am not an angel, I am a moody film star, but I can tell that we will be friends because I like your attitude. You can take it all. I was beautiful and truly made the way for Bette Davis. If you look at our faces, her face is almost like mine, only a little bit twisted. Bette Davis looks like me with a toothache... I like Bette. She was great, and I could never do her Baby Jane because I was meant to stay a pretty lady forever. But she crossed the line into ugliness and broke new ground. She crossed the line. I was too timid; I was tempted to do it many times, but I couldn't. Maybe it wasn't my time yet. Maybe I was not ready to take the necessary step, but Davis did. Yes, I envied her and wanted to be her. If I would cross the line, I could play 20 years more. But I hesitated to break my image, because America loved my image. But as a result, I lost the game. And as you learn soon, they have forgotten me completely. It is good for you. This is why we can work together. As my name isn't speaking much today to a public, we can discuss all the problems peacefully, and you can name my name and we -- you and me -- we will be forgiven for it. My days of suffering are over…

Tanika: What suffering -- the suffering on earth or in heaven?
M.L: …on earth and in heaven. My end on earth was terrible and no book will ever tell the truth. If you, darling, find the book about me in your library, I will show you the difference between what we put on paper at that time, and the truth. I am glad, that I can amend some lies that my co-author, or maybe he and I together produced at a time, when my name counted and everybody was still alive. Now we are going to rewrite and correct it... Let's look where it will lead us and what will happen...

Check it out. I died in a New York nursing home for poor old ladies. I was one of many other poor ladies who lived too long on the earth. You have to stay long as well, and quite in misery at the end. You'd better listen to my story of what I have to say. There was no one with me when I was dying from pneumonia that finally freed me from that nightmare. I suffered from rheumatism, of course, and endless lung problems. I took too many antibiotics, no breath, and I wasn't sure, if it was a severe pneumonia, or lung cancer, or they both occurred at the same time, or if it was something else after all. No one was really concerned. They couldn't wait for me to die and free them from the trouble. They felt badly and guilty. And I couldn't pay the gratitude… My God... Save us Almighty from the pity of our servants. Please, check out this story. It is important.

After the war (W.W.II), when heroes of this nation were dumped into the mud, and suddenly, everybody was on their own, Billy Wilder's film was important. Of course, the story with that handicapped boy was a Hollywood hook. It was needed to get the problem out on the screen, and the public liked it. In the Oscar race, we beat Frank Capra's It's a Wonderful Life. But look, what has happened to them over time. They became classics, and we are forgotten. I see that you are an honest person who knows nothing about Hollywood and doesn't want to know. This is why we will work together. I send my blessings to you. My work with you will be a continuation of my Red Cross mercy activities. […]

Tanika: … Thank you very much. Where are you living now?
M.L: I live in a beautiful place; we call it Scarlet's house. Vivien Leigh is here, Bette Davis comes to visit us often enough. I live with Vivien Leigh, and finally we found peace and reconciliation. Here is the proof. You will read about my true relations with that woman. But now she is different, and now we get along very well. On earth she beat me up on every corner she could. She cut me out from all the deals she could get her hands on. Her advantage was her age. She was younger, remarkably younger than me. There are things that I still cannot tell… But there is one important detail… We met unexpectedly; I was stunned when Vivien Leigh met me here on this side. It was Vivien who was sent to pick me up after my transition. She was sorry and asked me to forgive her. She explained how important it was for her to go along with me. And she regretted her drug and alcohol problems that drove her mad after all. Outwardly we were very much alike. She wanted to be me, and she hated me for that. I had to step aside. But only Bette Davis knew how to do it without losing it. Okay, it is too messy a talk about after all…

I am perfectly fine on this side, and I continue with the Red Cross activities. And when you come here, we will work together on certain problems… I still help people with irritation that you had with your people during your life in your little country over there. And here also so many are sick of it, very sick. It comes from envy, competition, fight for a place in the sun. It is all about how we create our places in the sun, and how we become hostages of our own false images. Oh, we have so much to talk about… I already love you. I had doubts regarding your language. I am talking a baby English with you. But it has its advantages as every fault on this earth does. As I have to speak simply, I have to think what am I really saying. This makes me think and I discover a lot of holes in my concepts.

Dec 23, 1999

Tanika: Please, tell me about Arthur Hornblow, your first husband. You wrote in your book "He became a tyrant, foisting his distorted sense of perfection on us. You shouldn't do that to people. It just isn't so important. It certainly isn't important enough to destroy someone. It almost destroyed me… I was a wreck, nervous and obviously vulnerable. [p. 17- 172]
M.L. Arthur was a support and a sex machine. I needed it at that time in my life, I suppose. He was too strong and domineering and our marriage didn't last too long. In real life I wanted to be the same good wife as I was on the screen. But it never worked out that way. Yes, I know I should get up 6:30 in the morning to be a good wife and everything, but it did not work out as I planned and decided to be. […] I don't remember Arthur much. He was there for me, and he wasn't. It was physical, and it never went any further.

I was more like a flower in his buttonhole. But how long can you be a flower? If you are not extending roots, you will die. It is simply like that … But how can a man walk with a flower in his buttonhole with soiled roots flopping about his chest? So he wanted to cut off those roots, which would've mean death for me… We married in 1936 and we divorced in 1942…

T: What do you mean by roots?
M.L: My need for recovery. I mean the simplest thing there is -- my personal energy pool. I mean conceitedness, the base of my vitality and ability to be what I was. When he took over my life, he cut my connection to the source, and I built it again. He wanted me for himself and cut it again. Until one day I said no. My reasoning wasn't important, I was not aware of what I was doing at that time. I literally fought for my life…

Jan 9, 2000

Myrna Loy Discusses Upcoming Oscar nominations

M.L: You liked Blair Witch Project. It is so different from our world that I have no comments on it, rather admiration for the courage to do something like that -- with zero appeal! And the public watched it --probably people are very tired. In my time, people had a lot of time on their hands, and they liked to dream and we gave them that possibility to soak in sweet dreams. I would love to reach beyond the dreams but I never had a chance to go any further. Eyes Wide Shut is an unfinished movie but it still will win an Oscar as I can see it right now. (It never did, it wasn't even nominated -- T.E.) Magnolia will be noticed, The American Beauty (won the Best Picture Oscar) will be chosen for the Oscar race. Fight Club was too powerful for them. They are still blind and don't see what that flick was all about.

Tanika: Do you see your next incarnation on earth, or have you decided not to come down anymore?
M.L: Regrettably, I have to come on earth to work on common problems of irritation, envy, competition, inability to stay balanced; and to handle finances, be truly independent, to stay connected to the Source. The latter is the most important thing. Let's show you, how it was supposed to work in your present incarnation. You were supposed to stick your neck out for the good and wonderful in all the art works around you for the very simple reason of having access to the beauty in so many incarnations in past, more than you can recall. And thank God that you tried to do so. But you were limited by your opportunities to stand up because of your own weakness. You had a hundred opportunities to advance yourself in society but you were blind to them. And you are blind to them now, and this is causing your severe sight problems in this incarnation. We will work on it as much as it is possible. First of all, you have to understand your limitations. Thank God, you do, more or less. We will work on your weight problem and finances, and the ways to handle them, because you have to deal with finances in your next incarnation too. Your husband will never learn to do it profitably. The same happened to me. I earned money, I was the breadwinner my entire life, and I lost it all, I lost it when I needed it most. I lost it to my pride and inability to deal with being out of the limelight. So, I did not equal myself. What I thought to be true about myself, wasn't true at all. I was not what I thought I was. This inadequacy made me start all over.

Tanika: Did you choose your future role?
M.L: Yes, I did, and this is why I am helping you this time around. I will go to Russia in the flow of advanced souls at the time of renewal of that part of the world. My duty will be to resurrect the wonderful Russian theater, so advanced even in the days of Communism, under the pressure they had over there, and being so terribly suppressed. We will go down and start it over again with Mr. Stanislawski and Nemerovitsh Dantshenko. The question is, why we will go, and not the great Russian actors who managed do their work under that pressure of the Communist regime? In a sense, we will trade places. Many of them deserve to continue in much better and easier environments and come over to work in warmer countries. For instance, your friend, Alla Demidova will come down to France. But Alla's partner, the singer Volodya Vissotski, has no reason to incarnate for a long time after the job he did. Of course, his sins were forgotten and forgiven because he did what he did, and he took over and fulfilled his mission. But Elvis Presley who enjoyed the success in full on earth and exceeded all possible limits, will also go to Russia one day to get his really humbling experiences, and he will also fulfill the mission and do fine. [Please, pay attention to the contradicting information. According to Myrna Loy, Elvis Presley will incarnate in Russia, but according to Elvis Presley he will incarnate in Italy -- T.E.] I will start out in Moscow and work almost two decades in a Siberian theater and film studio. This center doesn't exist today. It will come to life in the future, and it will be a very noble place. It will produce an effect similar to the impression of a giant joyride on the place of the guillotine on the Plaza of Concorde in the center of Paris.

Tanika: What about your previous lifetimes that brought you to Hollywood?
M.L: Of course, the gate to Hollywood was opened by a terrible incarnation in a Chinese theater. I was a boy who was sold to a theater at age three and a half. And that was the age my training started. No lovers, only work and training, and training and performing. No right to age, no vacations, only playing right up to my death on the stage at age 35. I played women and dreamed about being a simple housewife with a simple life. But my advanced body training did not allow me to stop. And of course, after such an incarnation, I did not need any schooling in Hollywood. I recalled all my skills while working. This theater was in Shanghai, in the very heart of China's theaters at the end of the 19th century. Opium was our relaxation and escape, and it helped me end of that terrible incarnation at age 35. An accidental overdose helped me end it.

In my Hollywood incarnation, I was alcohol and drug free. After my opium experience in China, it didn't seduce me at all. I had to drink sometimes but it did not make me happy. Of course, it was a stupid dream to become a housewife. And thank God, I utilized that dream by developing it into my film characters, especially in my films with Bill Powell.

... This is a boring to go so slowly. Please, do not lose your concentration. It is better when you trust your hands to work for us both.

Tanika: Sorry… Please, tell me more about your karmic connections with your partners.
M.L: Clark Gable and Bill (William) Powell, of course. Clark will not come to Russia, as his morale wouldn't be strong enough for that harsh place to win it over and resurface on the top again. But Powell will come and work with Stanislawski and Meyerhold. Sara Bernard will not come, she was too great, and she will still rest at that time when we have to go. Powell was my drinking/opium buddy in China. I came back as a woman because I played women, and was skilled in the art of make up and costume design. You know, I have to look for Chinese herbs for you to lose some weight... Give me a moment? We used them all the time in my China incarnation, because we had to stay thin and weightless as feathers in the wind… There was also a long line of incarnations in dancing nations among Hawaiian and African people with drumming, singing and dancing and face painting. In India, surprisingly, I was a housewife. And in my last American incarnation, in spite of my wish to become a good housewife, deep down I rejected the idea because of my thoroughly negative Indian experience. In that quiet Indian incarnation the rebel was born in me, and in my last time on earth, that rebel guided me to places of training and freedom, from Montana to Hollywood, and in Hollywood from a schoolgirl to stardom. But Eastern incarnations and tribe incarnations taught me obedience as well. And so, thriving to fulfill the expectations of society, I doomed myself to a chain of false and unnecessary marriages that ruined me financially at the end. I hope we will have a chance to talk about it later. Many Hollywood royalties have experienced high incarnations in their past lives, like Gary Cooper, Jimmy Stewart, and Warren Beatty who is still confused and doesn't recognize his true present environment; as many less significant ladies like Debbie Reynolds -- she was English Royalty in Victorian England; and of course, Henry Fonda with his entire family.

But there are also those who would like to have a royal past in their family tree or in past lives -- but don't have it. Jack Nicholson is one of them. And this is why he is so caustic and hates everybody without any reason whatsoever. He has weight problems as well. In our days he wouldn't be allowed to play at all, or he would be forced to make himself much fatter and play very specific roles only. He is fine as an actor and unhappy as a person, who cannot find peace in his heart. He fights all the time and cannot stop fighting with everybody and everything around him. He is a prisoner of fighting… He is constantly asking for a worthy and strong enough enemy to have a good and "final" fight. But of course, no one wants to fight him, as he is too strong, and too famous and too rich for it. A lack of fight is his true problem, as I see it. And sooner or later all his women -- because of the lack of true fighters -- are forced to pick up this role and fight! … Poor ladies!

Pay attention why I am telling you that story! Jack Nicholson's weight problem is connected to his fighting routine in his subconscious that he cannot control. He needs the fight and if there is no fight, he gains weight. Think about a person you know well. Look into your fighting patterns, which are still not released. Lack of fighting is creating weight again. We have to meditate and release these fighting patterns and allow the body to function normally without freezing it in the jump and various fighting positions, whatever… Holding these patterns asks for energy and in order to supply that energy, the body accumulates fat.

Among new black actors there is some royalty present in Eddie Murphy… Maybe there is more, but at first glance I can see it in Eddie Murphy. You can recognize that presence in his special freedom of behavior. This kind of freedom comes only from genes that have memorized the freedom exercised by high nobility in the past. French royal blood has been brought in Eddie Murphy's genes through his mother's bloodline that descends from a French mixed marriage or rather an illegal relationship between an African prince and a white noble woman. She had crazy ideas about freedom and sexuality and produced a black child. That black child was sent to America -- out of the picture. The child was brought up somewhere in the East Coast. The child grew into a talented personality. He gained his freedom and never served as a slave. Please, check it out. I want you to see that it is true...

January 11, 2000

Tanika: In Myrna Loy: Being and Becoming you write about a $30, 000 mink coat that was given to you as pay for work in a commercial? What happened to that coat and why didn't you wear it during your trip to Montana with your co-author James Kotsilibas? He thought that you were too modest to wear that coat in front of your people at your birthplace. Or there was some other reason than modesty?
M.L: The coat covered some debts that I was in at the time. This was why I did not put it on during my trip to Montana, not out of modesty! I was afraid that the thing might lose some of its value if I soiled or damaged it in some way. My co-author did not understand it. He was a nice man but blinded by admiration towards me. And I had no heart to tell him the truth. He couldn't bear it and he would feel that he had to do something about it. But of course, he had no means to handle the situation, and I did not want to burden him… This debt stemmed from the time when I was married to Howland Sargeant. […]

January 12, 2000

Tanika: When you became "The Washington wife," I assume you were on top of the world. When did your road become rockier, and how did you handle it?
M.L: In other words, who flushed my career down the drain? Who brought down and ripped off the lady number one who had 124 films and a lot more accomplishments to brag about, like working for the United Nations, participating in the election campaigns, volunteering for the Red Cross, a place for rich women who had nothing better to do with their lives. It curtailed my career and I had to start over in the theater at the age when I needed rest, security and I deserved to have my morning coffee the way I liked it?

Tanika: How did it happen?
M.L: Let's look for the point of no return. Where was it? Barefoot! (Barefoot in the Park, by Neil Simons). The production of Barefoot was the worst thing that had happened to me in my entire life. They cheated me out of my money completely. They asked me to lend them money for the production and never paid it back. I broke off with them, and it was the last meaningful thing I did in the theater. This deception stopped my theatrical career. Go back to the book. I wrote that I did some films and every time the best part was cut out…

Tanika: I found it! Myrna Loy: Being and Becoming, p. 336 "But something happened at the end of April Fools (1969). They began cutting, and Charles and I were the main casualties. It was badly edited, really chopped up. Everybody wondered what the devil Myrna Loy was doing in that picture?"

M.L: Yes, I returned to Hollywood and looked for film work under any conditions. They knew how desperate I was and they never ever gave me a chance again. Instead, they made someone, a stupid idiot who did not know me from a telephone post, call with an offer of a voice-over! This was the revenge, or they thought that this one would kill me, or at least spell out for me where I stood... Never ever marry a Senator unless you are determined to live with him… […] I am telling you things that you have no way of knowing...

Feb 3, 2000

M.L: I lost my money to my husbands, family, friends, and bad choices of investments…I do not regret it, but I want people to know the truth about us actors, how painful this profession actually is.

Feb 6, 2000

Tanika: Did you love your father, the 'honest Dave' -- David Franklin Williams, involved in politics?
M.L: The answer would be yes and no. Look, as a "Washington wife" (the marriage to my last husband, Howland Sargeant, Assistant Secretary of State) I lost it all. And my father lost to politics the love of his life - my Mother's heart. In other words, we never ever reconciled our political ambitions and our talents.

In my case, my Mother was important. She dreamed about Hollywood. She wanted to be part of it, and her dream lived on in me. So its was she who really pushed me over the edge into Hollywood.

Feb 20, 2000

M.L.: You are easy to work with. I have tried ten or twelve mediums before but our communication failed because of the differences in the characteristics of the particular reverberations. With you, I am terribly limited because of your language problems, but I am rewarded by the similarity of characteristics…

Myrna Loy was born August 2, 1905. My birthday is August 2nd, and my mother's year of birth is 1905. The differences in our destinies -- the social status. The similarities -- we both lost our fathers too soon. My father died when I was 10 years old, Myrna Loy's father died when she was 13 years old.

There were more similarities. She had a brother, David who never took the risk to unfold his creative talents. And I have a brother who never developed his artistic qualities or traits, and never took any risks.

M.L: On the ladder of social hierarchy, I was far up and you were far below. But it didn't change a thing. We still have similarities in our destiny patterns. It is like you can stick many different pieces of meat and veggies on a rod, and then hold it in a vertical position. So we are pieces sitting on the same rod. Consider me a top piece, and yourself a low-third or middle piece…

As a matter of fact, it is the configuration of the wave that determines the destiny -- makes us choose fathers who die young, brothers who do not develop their artistic qualities, mothers who never retire of controlling us, and much more.

Feb 22, 2000

M.L: Too Hot To Handle. My God, look at the kind of movies we made at that time! Of course, this was a stupid film, but Clark Gable was well liked … wrong -- idolized by the crowd of women who were happy with anything he did. As many of us, he also never got his true part in any film. Cary Grant never did, I never did… We made stupid comedies that no one took seriously but only investors. They cashed in on them, or to be precise -- on our faces! Some day we will talk more about it.